Trinitarian Propositions Archives

Proposition # 29: According to 1 John 4:8, 16, “God is love.” Love, an eternal attribute of God, existed before the creation of the universe. Whom did God love before the creation of Adam, if there were not distinct persons within the Godhead?”

Response: To limit God’s love to human understanding and experience is absurd. For us, love is, primarily, an emotion. For God, love is a foundational character attribute (1 John 4:8; 1 John 4:16) which underlies His mercy, generosity, justice, holiness, creativity and all His other qualities.

Christian love is more than an emotion; it is showing dignity and respect due fellow creatures made in God’s image. Have you ever met someone whose personality you found disagreeable? Yet you treated that … Read the rest

Proposition # 28: God is immutable, which means He does not change. If Jesus did not eternally pre-exist with God, then God fundamentally changed when He became Jesus’ Father. God cannot change in such basic ways.

Response: There was a time when the creation did not exist. Did God fundamentally change when He became a Creator? There was a time when the nation of Israel was enslaved by Egyptians. Did God fundamentally change when He became their Deliverer?

According to Trinitarian doctrine each person of ‘The Trinity’ enjoys all the attributes of Deity, which would include immutability. This would mean that from eternity past the alleged second person of ‘The Trinity’ could not change. How, then, … Read the rest

Proposition # 27: The Bible says that everything produces after its own kind. Therefore, if Jesus is the Son of God, he must be God also.

Response: God is a spirit being and angels are spirit beings (and the Bible calls them ‘sons of God.’) Do Trinitarians believe angels are God in the same way they claim Jesus is God?

Adam, the first human created by God, was made in the image and likeness of God, and is referred to as a Son of God. Did this make him God in the same way Trinitarians claim Jesus is God? Though the proposition seems logical, the … Read the rest

Proposition # 26: The Trinity must be true or the Church with its creeds has been in error for 1700 years.

Response: “Let God be true, even though every person is a liar.” (Romans 3:4)

Did Jesus –the Son of the true God– tell the truth or did he lie when he said that the Father is the “only true God”? Which would be better, the Church in error or Jesus in error? (John 17:1-3)

When we compare the history of the institutional Church (Roman Catholic, Eastern [Orthodox] Catholic, and Protestant) to the teachings of the Prince of Peace we should … Read the rest

Proposition #25 Jesus Calls the Holy Spirit Another Helper, Therefore The Holy Spirit is God.

Proposition # 25: Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as “another [Gk., allos] Helper.” (John 14:16) . Greek scholar Joseph Thayer states, “Allos generally denotes simply a distinction of individuals.” / “Heteros involves the secondary idea of difference of kind.” Hence, since Jesus is a Person, the Holy Spirit must be One also or Jesus would have used heteros instead of allos at John 14:16.

Response: In John 14:161-8 notice what Jesus said,

“And I will pray the Father, and … Read the rest

Proposition#24 Masculine Pronouns Prove that the Holy Spirit is God

Proposition # 24: Masculine pronouns are used in reference to the Holy Spirit despite the fact that Spirit [Gk., pneuma] is neuter. This proves the Personality of the Holy Spirit. — John 14:26; 15:26; 16:8, 13

Response: Some foreign languages have what is called grammatical gender, which has nothing to do with personality or sexual gender.

For example, in Spanish the word mesa means table and is feminine. But this does not mean that Spanish-speaking people regard it as … Read the rest